Explaining The Blue Jay Fan Presence in Seattle.

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In September 2016, a frustrated Felix Hernandez shouted this refrain to booing Blue Jays fans at Safeco Field while pointing downward at the field: “THIS IS MY HOUSE”!!

1977. The Seattle Mariners and the Toronto Blue Jays begin play. Whenever the Toronto Blue Jays come to town, so do Blue Jays fans. In some cases, the Blue Jays’ fans outnumber the Mariners’ fans.

How? Toronto doesn’t even play in the same division as Seattle. Toronto is close to Detroit and Cleveland than it is to Seattle.

Well, the answer is alot closer than you think. Seattle is much closer to Canada than many people realize. Seattle is 142.6 miles from Vancouver,BC,Canada. This is basically a 2 1/2 hour drive. One might think that because Vancouver is so close to Seattle, people in that city would root for the Seattle Mariners. Well……..

Some of this could be blamed on the subpar playing of the Mariners between 2004 and now(out of those years, only 4 seasons above the .500 mark). However, there is a cultural geography component here. Vancouver is in Canada. The Toronto Blue Jays have traditionally represented English-speaking Canada. The Montreal Expos, baseball’s representatives in the Francophone province of Quebec, play in Washington,DC as of 2005. This leaves the Blue Jays as Canada’s sole team. Not that this would matter. Vancouver is an Anglophone city, and it’s closer to Toronto than Montreal. Even if Seattle is the closest city to Vancouver, Vancouver is in the long-reaching sphere of the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays being a Canadian team, people in Vancouver would be more likely to root for the Blue Jays.

In short, Blue Jays fans in Vancouver have an easy drive to Seattle. Could the Mariners and Blue Jays become a big rivalry? Geography is strangely on its side. The Mariners have never really had geographic rivalries. At least not in the traditional sense. However, the geography is in the details. With Vancouver 2.5 hours away, this could really make things interesting.

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Portland’s Chances of Getting Major League Baseball

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Today, the Seattle Mariners exist as the most remote Major League Baseball team. It is the only MLB team in the Pacific Northwest. This presents some travel problems. The Mariners fly more miles than any other baseball team because the nearest team is 700 miles away, in Oakland,CA.

Seattle-Tacoma-Everett metropolitan area is the largest metropolitan area in the Pacific Northwest USA, with 3.4 million people.

With 2.3 million people, Portland’s metropolitan area is the 2nd largest in the PNW. This is larger than other MLB markets, such as Cincinnati, Kansas City, Milwaukee, and Cleveland. An MLB team could create a geographic rivalry in the Pacific Northwest.

The question is, could an MLB team flourish in Portland, Oregon,USA?

Consider the geography. The Seattle Mariners don’t have much a rivalry with other teams. Part of its TV market it is Oregon. In theory, Portland metro has a population size necessary to support a team. Portland metropolitan area has grown in population close to 9% between 2010 and 2016. Portland came close to getting the then-Montreal Expos in 2003. The Expos relocated to Washington,DC in 2005 instead. Portland, however, had the stadium available, Providence Park. Between 2006-2007, the Florida Marlins had a possibility of relocating to Portland. There was doubt about whether the Marlins would get a new stadium or not. The Marlins would get a new stadium and were renamed the Miami Marlins.

In a financial climate where corporate support is needed, Portland might have an issue. However, it certainly has the population, and the growth needed to support an MLB team. And with the Portland Trail Blazers and Portland Timbers FC being the two professional teams in Portland, there is still room for another sports team. A stadium capacity of 37,000 would be adequate in the beginning. However, Providence Park would have to be used as a temporary home, where the Portland Timbers FC play. This would be an issue for having a soccer specific stadium.

Here is the geographic issue. Territory rights. Portland metrpolitan are includes Clark County,Washington. This is where Vancouver,Washington(not Vancouver, Canada) is located. Seattle is 180 miles north of Portland, along Interstate 5. One the one hand, the proximity could be an advantage for Portland, as it can create a rivalry. On the other hand, this could cause some territory issues. There would be concerns of the Mariners losing exclusive territory rights in Oregon, and part of its own state. The Mariners have been adamant that Oregon is part of their territory. The Mariners also share territory rights with the Toronto Blue Jays, as the state of Washington borders the Canadian province of British Columbia. With Victoria,BC being a 3 hour ferry ride from Seattle, this leaves to consider. British Columbia, being in Canada, is more likely to give priority to the Blue Jays.

There is another factor to consider. The San Francisco Giants cast a shadow into Oregon as well. The Giants have territory rights in Oregon, mostly outside of the Portland area. It certainly covers a larger area than the Mariners currently have.

Another territory issue is Idaho. Idaho borders both Oregon and Washington, as well as British Columbia in Canada. The Mariners have territory rights in much of Idaho, including Boise, the capital and largest city. Part of Idaho is in Colorado Rockies territory. The Mariners would have plenty of reason to fight for Idaho. Boise is located closer to Oregon than to Washington state. If Portland gets a team, territory rights for southwest Idaho would go to a Portland MLB team. The Mariners’ territory rights in Idaho could be reduced to the Pandhandle region.

Portland certainly has the population to support a team. It would spark a geographic baseball rivalry. It can also spark other issues. Two teams might have issues with territory rights in terms of the fan base and broadcasting games over television and radio. Demographics certainly favor Portland. It could also spark a geographic challenge. Currently, no teams are seeking relocation, and expansion is not in the current future. Portland will likely not get a team unless one team decides to move. However, Portland still has a chance.